Thursday, October 5, 2017

國王的新衣



國王沒有穿衣服

以為自己穿了衣服

要大家都讚不絕口

 

直到那個不知體統的

王小明說實話

 

what an ass

 

你們知道王小明的下場是甚麼嗎

 

國王穿了衣服

卻要大家說他光屁股

大家都說

 

what an ass

 

直到那個不知體統的

王小明說實話

 

what an asshole

 

你們知道王小明的下場是甚麼嗎

 

知道了王小明的下場

你們就知道台灣人的下場
 

an individual/collective example of Bad Faith

https://tw.news.yahoo.com/%E8%87%AA%E5%98%B2-%E8%A2%AB%E9%AC%BC%E6%89%93%E5%88%B0-%E9%80%A0%E6%88%90%E9%98%BF%E6%89%81%E5%9B%B0%E6%93%BE-%E6%9F%AFp%E9%81%93%E6%AD%89-062155439.html

中国家庭债务的崩溃:中产阶级被消灭;“孤狼”数量增加?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZAkYMko24E

大陆个人债务猛增,消费贷满天飞,能持续多久?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afekMbZvvIM

臺灣社會運動系列序言(《王丹評論》第1期)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F15xLud5sGA

路走到盡頭


他們到了烏魯木齊

我想了想遂決定草草

把無以為繼初稿完成

 

我先前說過

起因是兩周前備課第四講

我發現不想講blablablabla

 

遂只剩真實

我先前說過

幾天後變成厭倦

 

真實的厭倦

換句話說

 

這跟心理學和精神分析無關

因為這不只是內心主觀經驗

這是生命經驗

 

路走到盡頭

換句話說

 

這時大陸十九大風聲鶴唳

這時台灣急獨招惹急統打人

這時Ian Easton說大陸2020動手

 

這算不算

路走到盡頭

 

每個月值班七八天

一年值班近一百天

我今年已經六十歲

 

這算不算

路走到盡頭

Wednesday, October 4, 2017

何方

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on19HMR9yFQ

时事大家谈:十九大与习时代:中共40年党内民主尝试之终结

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWZld_bV_zA

2017-10-30

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B5viXpvvYMYEb1JxbXIwS3pseVE?usp=sharing

“中國政治變局與民主前景”國際會議(第二日:習近平的政變)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=726bnDv-k-U

“争鸣” (2017年10月1日停刊)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqlAkRXkvTc

https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%88%AD%E9%B3%B4

十九大之後:大陸用這三招統一台灣

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jIADWSpW1k

老城不能再拆

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6VrV0TM6To

“中國政治變局與民主前景”會議(第三日:國際社會對中國政治民主化的作用與影響)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD6-nDii_KU

“中國政治變局與民主前景”會議(第三日:烏坎村問題)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHgXg9pmGQY

“中國政治變局與民主前景”會議(第三日:族群問題,地方自治與中國民主化)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrNzv-kwst4

“中國政治變局與民主前景”會議(第三日:中國民主法治進程)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WOys4d8vXM

“中國政治變局與民主前景”國際會議(第二日:中共面臨的經濟危機,社會危機與合法性危機)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWYeLNAqUPM

“中國政治變局與民主前景”國際會議(第二日:當下中國政治本質)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ6-kjGa4lA

王希哲

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGIlJ3Z23II

麥克爾舒曼

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXBd4d9tbtg

项小吉

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6k_k_SpJY1c

陈闯创

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIpvNafxYN0

2020

https://newtalk.tw/news/view/2017-10-04/99564

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mtb8DgLvfhA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGhPJZXfjtQ

姚诚

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jPV2HfOTZo

李焕君

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKi3Y2wPOcU

729 (2012)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQELKejsExs

张杰

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fegi0tPjnc

陳小平談六哥和其他

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BdciOwMIHY

纪许光

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYtZUFLohrs

王澄

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN1ETPefI4k

https://bowenpress.com/news/bowen_134091.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUzRRn7Qjx8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7ap7i83Ax8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfEFcp81Pho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwahSOTCRfI

十九大面面观

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM7IZ0pkuIE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoR9fHo_Oq4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDIPfVhMHdk

Tuesday, October 3, 2017

出租车司机

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbIgVVsuO8o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSNzeHUOewY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0Hg3mDStT0

豬P

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGngX2Py1Hs

他槓龜我發財

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsSW2ek8EuQ

see also
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSzXSkkKBGc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpLWvmiUfJs

冯胜平

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-EXCXlK1gQ

Pat O'Bryan - Loan Me A Dime

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fECfso0mpY

周扒皮与土改

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dEHzr2_RGg

see also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2x-eloGoNs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeK_O6NHFYc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEl6sLB0knA&list=PLkrfsMaxX4nh6PYh1Pc9ptu_Hxt4UND6J

兩個30年

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd40Oqovrcg

截訪

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hACaUbmmKU

Balmorhea - All is Wild, All is Silent (FULL ALBUM) (2009)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlLG3ObzH8M

吴祚来

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz6N4waPPR8

王军涛

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRGqHkE5JXE

Sunday, October 1, 2017

牽亡歌

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlSdHExm8OI

職場人生

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBtj0yorHRc

劍道教室

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9mK534cgcc

角頭老大收保護費

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIpkbLiW_XM

张博树

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAxRHJyMBKw

夏业良

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5KsuPD9fWM

滕彪

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4QQ1_9E-MI

求明牌

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YB0M8bLDKk

Let’s talk about malaise (2017-10-30)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5viXpvvYMYEbWJxckl4bzFrZ3M/view?usp=sharing

Let’s talk about malaise




                                                                                                        2017-10-1
2017-10-4
2017-10-30 (L4)

 

起先    我想到的是authenticity    果然    幾天後    malaise迎面而來 

但malaise明顯是   小資的玩意    勞動者     會喝保力達B    為明天的氣力

或活著看到夕陽 (如果你是白班)  午夜的月亮 (如果你是小夜班)  晨曦 (如果你是大夜班)
或下一個滿月 (如果你是連續值班一個月)

malaise   
表示還矜(端)着    還矜(端)得住

the condition for one to be one    
不止是家庭父母童年     還有that damned modernity

Let's talk about malaise, and much worse


比malaise更慘的是    wasted lives (Zygmunt Baumann) (failure, loser, homeless)    社會底層 (老威)      100 Yen Love      Alcoholic (醉死溝渠)

We all need cherished bad faith to sustain ourselves and go on, till that day, then ...

Only a God can save us
Only a stranger's kindness can save us

海公半生    獨居山林    這是一個理想的比例   一般人窮忙一生    連一例一休    尚且不可得   做不到這麼悠閒的事

 

 

1.   Bad faith (Sartre)

2.   Be true to oneself vs. self-deception

3.   Courage (to be) (Tillich) (Dare to be)

4.   Dare to act

5.   Death – the final coming to rest

6.   Folly and remorse

7.   Beyond redemption

8.   No Heidegger this time.  (Not likely, however)

9.   Not sure if psychoanalysis is helpful or relevant

10.  Now, a la Jacob Golomb (1995), it is about ethics (not metaphysical at all, in other words)

 

11.  And, since it is about ethics, it is about dilemma and choice, both of which are so very personal, and quite inconsequential in terms of the progress of the HISTORY

 

12.  Therefore, this is about anti-hero

 

13.  Now, our problem is, in search of authenticity, after camus

 

14. Interestingly, the two thinkers who adopted an ontological approach to authenticity both went through a kind of midlife Umkehr or ‘conversion’: Heidegger, from the phenomenological ontology of Dasein to the poetry and mysticism of Being, and Sartre, from phenomenological ontology to politics. (p. 92)

 

15. … like Kierkegaard and Nietzsche, not a philosopher in the technical or academic sense, Camus expresses ideas and dilemmas that are intimately related to the ideal of authenticity (p. 119)

 

16. Unlike Kierkegaard, who entices us to take an absurd leap of faith, Camus rejects transcendence, adopts a position of strict immanence3 and invites us to live out a rebellious acceptance of our absurd fate. He encourages us to win authenticity by ‘an act of lucidity as one makes an act of faith’ (LACE, p. 81). This illuminates the dilemma that confronted all the thinkers we have considered: the singularity and the spontaneity of the ideal of authenticity imply a clash with the prevailing ethic; yet to resolve this impasse by granting authenticity a recognized social meaning in turn neutralizes this spontaneity by forcing it into a fixed ontological yoke. In any event, however, Camus rejects this solution since ontology is meaningless in an absurd world. (p. 119)

 

17. Sisyphian life in the face of the absurd is the only authentic attitude available to mortals who reject suicide and proudly affirm their lives. (p.120)

 

18. Camus’s two major philosophical essays, The Myth of Sisyphus and The Rebel, are philosophical commentaries on his understanding of authenticity as it is portrayed in his novels, short stories and plays. …By generating in us deep existential anguish, Camus’s fiction offers us a chance to overcome it by being true to ourselves for the sake of humanity. ‘This is why any authentic creation is a gift to the future’ (MS, p. 169). (p. 120)

 

19. The answer…is this: even if one does not believe in God, suicide is not legitimate…even within the limits of nihilism it is possible to find the means to proceed beyond nihilism…. The Myth of Sisyphus…sums itself up for me as a lucid invitation to live and to create, in the very midst of the desert. (p. 122)

 

20. Hence Camus recommends acceptance and affirmation of life even if it lacks transcendent meaning. The solution to absurdity is not to escape to philosophy or suicide, but, rather, to accept it as a given. The sober and creative life is the authentic solution and indicates an authentic overcoming. To Camus’s generation the war had given little reason to be hopeful; Camus, like Nietzsche before him, offers hope without reason as the authentic reaction to the absurdity of immanence embodied in the myth of Sisyphus. Like the Nietzschean Übermensch, who adopts the existential formula of amor fati, ‘the absurd man says yes’ (ibid., p. 99).

 

21. Like Nietzsche, he demands that we liberate ourselves from the yearning for salvation by overcoming our nostalgia for it. Camus’s determination to withhold from us any ‘metaphysics of consolation’ (ibid., p. 42) makes authenticity all the more vital since in his eyes it is the only solution capable of withstanding the feeling of absurdity. (p. 124)

 

22. Even if suicide merely indicates resigned acceptance of the harsh implications of the relationship between the individual and the world and not the overcoming of this absurd—so what? It might be claimed that physical suicide is not the solution, since it creates a hierarchy of values within which there is one sort of action of ultimate value. In other words, to commit suicide can be seen as preferring one course of action over all others. But if our existence is sheer absurdity, why would suicide be any more valuable than Dr Rieux’s useless efforts to cure his patients in The Plague? (p. 125)

 

23. Camus knows that he has no valid argument against suicide. Suicide is an issue subject to the discretion of each individual who confronts the feeling of absurdity. Camus claims that we can ‘escape suicide’ to the extent that we are ‘simultaneously awareness and rejection of death’ (ibid., p. 60). The latter attitude is the ‘revolt’ that gives life its ‘value’ (ibid.)—its authenticity, the only possible value given the absurd. This ‘majestic’ revolt has ‘something exceptional’ about it, for, Camus feels, it displays ‘human pride’ (ibid., p. 48). It is not coincidental that at that point in his essay Camus begins to use first-person sentences such as ‘I must carry…the weight of my own life … alone’ (ibid.).

 

24. Camus, following Nietzsche, declares: I embrace a lucid and sober attitude, since I want to attain authenticity, to live intensely but without ‘stage-sets’ that distort my selfhood; hence I turn away from suicide which will prevent me from engaging in revolt, the practical embodiment of authenticity. (p. 125)

 

25. Thus the feeling and notion of absurdity and the constant struggle against their nihilistic implications are necessary conditions of authenticity. ‘I am authentic ergo it is absurd’ is Camus’s existential version of the Cartesian Cogito. ‘Only from chaos is a star born’, Nietzsche claims; and Camus develops this idea, maintaining that only from the feeling of absurdity and from the complex sensations that constitute its pathos is the aspiration to authenticity born. This happens when the ‘stage-sets’ of normative ethics ‘collapse’ and the question of where to go—‘suicide or recovery’ (ibid., p. 18)—becomes inescapable. (pp. 125-126)

 

26. According to Camus, no ethical rule can be sustained in an absurd world. ‘What rule, then, could emanate from that unreasonable order?’ (ibid., p. 58) asks Camus, and answers: ‘There can be no question of holding forth on ethics. I have seen people behave badly with great morality and I note every day that integrity has no need of rules’ (ibid., p. 57). Here Camus alludes to the many self-proclaimed moralists who preach at the city’s gates while themselves eschewing morality. He describes them as having ‘clean’ consciences, because they never use them. For Camus, the ideal of integrity, or, in Nietzschean language, truthfulness in life, stands above the objective ethical norms of honesty and sincerity. Authenticity reigns ‘beyond good and evil’; it does not require, nor can it have, ethical rules for the rational justification of actions. Authenticity is a personal, intuitive morality that springs from freedom and spontaneity without any external a priori dictates of Reason, God or History. The authority of authenticity lies in itself. (p. 127)

 

27. To conclude is to reach an end together, but the authentic posture, as understood by the philosophers of authenticity, forbids me from presuming to conclude for you or for us. Each individual has to come to her own conclusions about authenticity. In fact, encouraging you to ponder this existential issue and to entice you into drawing your own conclusions is a central objective of this book. As Nietzsche advises us through Zarathustra, ‘if you would go high, use your own legs’. (p. 143)

 

28. From the historical perspective, however, the intuitive and individual routes to authenticity seem to be more viable and productive than the ontological-phenomenological approaches. (p. 143)

 

29. Authenticity calls for an ongoing life of significant actions. It is actions that shape our authenticity. The thinkers we have looked at preferred action, or Heideggerian ‘care’, to reflection (which, Kierkegaard claims, ‘freezes action’) and knowledge (which ‘kills action’ according to Nietzsche). But meaningful activity is only possible in the context of intersubjective interaction, namely, within society. (pp. 143-144)

 

30. Authenticity, we saw, is best forged and revealed in ‘boundary’ or extreme existential situations. Yet such circumstances presuppose a social context. (p. 144)

 

31. The literature on authenticity abounds in descriptions of conflicts between individuals acting on different ethical maxims. These conflicts highlight the need for resolute and authentic decisions and spontaneous actions. Nietzsche and Kierkegaard argue that one knows what one is only after realizing what one is not. (p. 144)

 

32. But can authenticity, thus understood, ever be implemented? Here too we have looked at some convincing arguments to the effect that authenticity is highly problematic at best. (p. 144)

 

33. In his study of authenticity, Charles Taylor warns against an unrestrained, egocentric individualism. His sympathetic attitude to the ideal of authenticity as countering the ‘malaises of modernity’1 is remarkable evidence that the issue is far from having been closed by Camus, or, for that matter, by the present study, which stresses the aesthetic model of authenticity.2 (p. 145)

 

34. There is today a grave danger that we are facing the death of authenticity. Poststructuralist thought and the other currently fashionable streams of what is vaguely called ‘postmodernism’ attempt to dissolve the subjective pathos of authenticity which lies at the heart of existentialist concern. This study should be seen as an attempt to redress the postmodernistic devaluation of the authentic self by embarking on historical reconstruction. (pp. 145-146)

 

35. Let me end with a personal vision expressed in terms of a musical analogy. I envisage a society of authentic individuals as analogous to an orchestra without a conductor, where each individual plays her own composition. Sometimes one member of the ensemble will be in tune with the others, but not always. There is only one proviso: no one composition can overcome the others, and no player can suppress another’s self-expression. From the outside, the music produced by these individuals sounds like sheer cacophony, but for the participants each of their pieces has meaning, while the music played by the others functions as the inevitable background against which they struggle to perfect their original melodies. (p. 146)

 

36. Finally, let us recall Kierkegaard’s historical description of the emergence of the authentic ideal: ‘With every turning point in history there are two movements to be observed. On the one hand, the new shall come forth; on the other, the old must be displaced.’4 At these turning points we will encounter the authentic individual. Just as the decline of the ethic of objectivity set in motion the appeal for authenticity, so the decline of the ethic of subjectivity in the postmodern era, and the suppression of individuality encouraged by the mass media and multinational markets, will invigorate the quest for authenticity as a personal, corrective ideal if not an objectively viable norm. Only the return to our authentic pathos can prevent the betrayal of what is dearest to each of us: our own selfhood. (pp. 146-147)

37. Malaise --- It has something to do with authenticity, which is meant exactly to transcend it.

38. But, even malaise can be faked. In other words, there are two kinds of malaise, one authentic, the other inauthentic.

39. The authentic malaise is near the abyss of the void, so near, that one cannot be saved, more often than not.

40. Who am I? What am I? Which of the two am I? Am I safe? Am I fake? Nothing but a fake?

41. Waiting for Godot (Beckett, 1953) can be read as a work of mid-20th-century malaise.

42. What about ours? In the early 21st-century?

43. No articles in the pep-web, which means psychoanalysis has nothing to with it.

44. No one is immune to it. I mean no one.



 

 

Reference

  1. The Ethics of Authenticity, by Charles Taylor, Harvard University Press, 1992 (pdf)



4.     Only a God Can Save Us: Heidegger, Poetic Imagination and the Modern Malaiseby, by Henk J. Van Leeuwen, Common Ground Publishing, 2009 (e-book CGPublisher)

5.     In Search of Authenticity: Existentialism from Kierkegaard to Camus, by Jacob Golomb, Routledge, 1995 (questia, pdf)

6.     Postmodernism and Psychoanalysis: A Heideggerian Critique of Postmodernist Malaise and the Question of Authenticity, by M. Guy Thompson, in Way Beyond Freud: Postmodern Psychoanalysis Observed, ed. by Joseph Reppen, Jane Tucker, Martin A. Schulman, Open Gate Press, 2004 (pdf)

7.     Subtle Suicide: Our Silent Epidemic of Ambivalence about Living, by Michael A. Church, Charles I. Brooks, Praeger, 2009 (accessible via questia)

8.     The World Without Us, by Alan Weisman, Thomas Dunne Books, 2007 (accessible via scribd)

9.     Wasted Lives: Modernity and Its Outcasts, by Zygmunt Bauman, Polity, 2003 (kindle)

PS.

  authenticity is spiritual courage, it is 'dare' itself, it has to deal with self-doubt

malaise is physical, besides being psychological

both are existential
both say something about our ways of being-in-the -world

歷史的例子  文學的例子  是使徒列傳  傳燈錄  忠烈祠  諸神殿  是用來證明的  

為什麼形上需要證據   因為它很容易是人拿來騙人的   因為它很難被證明它是存在的

now, you see, we have to deal with nihilism , after all

Why did Matthew Scudder keep
使徒列傳 in company in those cold New York nights, in that small hotel room, watching out his lonely window ?

threshold thinking ~ boundary thinking ~ abyss thinking

 

 

The Malaise of Modernity (Charles Taylor, 1998)


Only a God Can Save Us: Heidegger, Poetic Imagination and the Modern Malaise (Henk J. Van Leeuwen, 2009)



In the shadow of a looming global environmental catastrophe humanity is at an unprecedented crossroad where crucial and difficult decisions must be made about how we are to live. This book questions where the desire for certainty and mastery is taking us and argues that reliance on technology and information alone cannot avoid an ecological catastrophe. It attends to an existential poverty of spirit that, it suggests, is at the root of contemporary problems. It tackles the association between a metaphysical void, with its growing sense of meaninglessness, and the ecological predicament. While many find the consolations of traditional religion increasingly untenable, a hunger for a spiritual dimension in life persists. In a rare excursion, yet one which continues the uniquely human search for a transcendent ground of being, the book explores an unfamiliar kind of thinking which shelters and liberates the poetic imagination that counters the modern malaise. In a scholarly yet accessible account van Leeuwen uncovers from Martin Heidegger's middle/late philosophy an extraordinary pathway of transformative thinking where this imagination is nurtured. (amazon) (e-book CGPublsiher 2017-10-1)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5viXpvvYMYEWDVVMlVSTXlGVms/view?usp=sharing

豬哥亮算命館

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsAucJ55BNc

最后一枪

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tK18L9XAFNQ

焦点对话:雨伞运动三周年,港独争议不绝

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4WmRAK1D_w

秦晖 (b 1953)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts1dEG16-cA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVx9ZMukOBc&t=66s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0vaH-ixJeg

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5viXpvvYMYEWm9XR3JjcjNTc1E/view?usp=sharing

老師今天要教我們甚麼

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVxwyaP58bg

http://news.sina.com.tw/article/20170930/24100700.html

https://tw.news.yahoo.com/%E6%89%81%E9%86%AB%E7%99%82%E5%B0%8F%E7%B5%84%E7%81%AB%E5%A4%A7-%E9%96%8B%E9%99%A4%E6%9F%AFp-215007099.html

六十年來我從豬哥亮身上學到很多台灣政治哲學的知識論謝謝豬老師

for aco


那天我跟aco說妳有一顆纖細的心爸爸希望妳學會大笑也有一顆粗的心

星期天的清晨


近一周時不時邊想邊讀In Search of Authenticity (Jacob Golomb, 1995)很快知道這是不能當作第四講題目的題目但整個存有哲學繫於此很快知道我們迫切需要例子歷史的例子文學的例子很快知道我們沒有文學的例子很快知道柯文哲一開始說實話郭正典說柯文哲沒有說實話很快知道他們兩人都很偉大他們兩人都說了應該說的非實話所以偉大的台灣歷史非實話很快知道第四講的題目應改為In Search of Inauthenticity in Taiwan (KC, 2017)

this is malingering, not factitious disorder

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/293206-overview

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/factitious-disorder/diagnosis-treatment/diagnosis/dxc-20322639

http://bestpractice.bmj.com/best-practice/monograph/695/diagnosis/criteria.html

http://talk.ltn.com.tw/article/paper/1139877

http://www.chinatimes.com/newspapers/20171001000310-260102

https://news.google.com/news/video/1dmnkeJOnDQ/dubsaaLuKXuFGOMARZpS94Y2O1uKM?hl=zh-TW&ned=tw

段振坤 (b 1969)

http://tw.weibo.com/duanzhenkun

https://baike.baidu.com/item/%E6%AE%B5%E6%8C%AF%E5%9D%A4/6817378