Friday, August 8, 2025

What’s the relationship between contemporary neuroscience and quantum physics? (S10) (1140809) (ChatGPT, 2025-8-8) (自體的心理學)(車行哲學)

 The relationship between contemporary neuroscience and quantum physics is one of the most fascinating, controversial, and speculative frontiers in science. It involves questions about consciousness, free will, the nature of the mind, and even the limits of physical explanation.


Let’s unpack the terrain carefully, across three categories:





1. 

Mainstream View: Neuroscience ≠ Quantum Physics



In mainstream neuroscience, the brain is understood in terms of classical physics:


  • Neurons fire via electrochemical processes.
  • Synaptic transmission involves chemical messengers (neurotransmitters).
  • Brain dynamics are modeled via network theory, biophysics, and computational models — all within the classical framework.



💡 Conclusion: In this view, quantum effects are irrelevant at the scale and temperature of brain activity.

The brain is too “wet, warm, and noisy” for coherent quantum states to survive.





2. 

Alternative Views: Quantum Mind Hypotheses



Despite mainstream skepticism, some researchers propose that quantum physics might play a role in consciousness.


Here are the key views:



a. 

Penrose–Hameroff “Orch OR” Theory



  • Roger Penrose (mathematician + physicist) + Stuart Hameroff (anesthesiologist) propose that consciousness arises from quantum processes inside microtubules (tiny structures within neurons).
  • Penrose argues that quantum wavefunction collapse — not yet fully understood — may be non-computable and linked to consciousness.
  • Their theory is called Orchestrated Objective Reduction (Orch OR).



🧠 Criticism: Lack of empirical evidence; decoherence in the brain is thought to happen too quickly for quantum coherence to have meaningful effects.





b. 

Quantum Brain Dynamics (QBD)



  • Some physicists (e.g. Hiroomi Umezawa, Giuseppe Vitiello) explore the idea that macroscopic quantum field effects (especially in water molecules or glial cells) may sustain long-range correlations in brain activity.
  • Based on quantum field theory and dissipative systems, they aim to explain memory, emotion, or neural synchrony.



🧠 Still speculative, but more mathematically grounded than Orch OR.





c. 

Quantum Cognition (Different Meaning)



  • This field does not claim that the brain is quantum.
  • Instead, it applies quantum probability theory to model decision-making, ambiguity, and paradoxes in human psychology (e.g. in behavioral economics, memory interference).



🧠 Think of this as a mathematical metaphor, not a claim about brain physics.





3. 

Philosophical/Foundational Questions



Several areas connect neuroscience and quantum physics at a deeper, more philosophical level:



a. 

Observer Effect and Consciousness



  • In quantum mechanics, measurement involves an “observer,” and the collapse of the wavefunction seems to depend on observation.
  • Some have speculated that consciousness plays a role in this collapse — a view held by Wigner, and explored by von Neumann.



💡 Neuroscientists usually reject this view, but it lingers in discussions about mind-matter interaction.





b. 

Free Will and Indeterminacy



  • If quantum events are truly indeterminate, could they allow for non-deterministic choices in the brain?
  • Some hope this might rescue free will from strict determinism.



🧠 Problem: Randomness ≠ freedom. Quantum indeterminacy doesn’t automatically translate to meaningful choice.





c. 

Hard Problem of Consciousness



  • Quantum physics may not be necessary to model brain function, but it might be relevant to explain the emergence of subjective experience (the “hard problem”).



💭 Example: David Chalmers entertains the idea that consciousness may be fundamental — similar to some quantum interpretations where information or awareness is a basic feature of the universe (a la Wheeler’s “It from Bit” or panpsychism).





🧠🔬 Summary Table

Domain

Classical Neuroscience

Quantum-inspired Hypotheses

Core Assumption

Brain = biological machine, classical physics

Brain involves non-classical processes (e.g. quantum coherence)

Consciousness

Emergent from neural computation

Potentially fundamental, tied to quantum events

Status

Empirically grounded, testable

Speculative, controversial

Key Figures

Crick, Koch, Dehaene, Friston

Penrose, Hameroff, Wigner, Chalmers

Risk

Reductionism

Pseudoscience / Unfalsifiability





🌌 Final Thought



The bridge between consciousness and quantum reality is not yet built, but many believe that both fields point toward deep, uncharted territory in our understanding of reality.


As Henry Stapp (quantum physicist sympathetic to mind–matter ideas) once said:


“The problem of consciousness lies at the intersection of quantum mechanics, biology, and philosophy.”


Would you like to explore the philosophical implications of this relationship — e.g., in terms of Advaita Vedanta, Buddhist Yogācāra, or contemporary panpsychism?