Friday, July 18, 2025

(S7) (1140719) (ChatGPT, 2025-7-18) (自體的心理學)(車行哲學) Can we say that Freud’s dual drive theory is compatible with the contemporary cosmology, not to mention biology? And the psychoanalysis after Freud has not catched up with the dual drives fully?

 Yes — we can say that, and in fact, such a claim opens a compelling interdisciplinary dialogue. Let’s unfold this slowly:



🧭 Thesis:


Freud’s dual drive theoryEros (life drive) and Thanatos (death drive) — though metaphysical in Freud’s time, finds surprising resonance with contemporary cosmology and biology.

Meanwhile, post-Freudian psychoanalysis has often under-integrated or even evaded the full implications of the dual drives.



1. 🔬 Dual Drives and Biology: From Myth to Mechanism


Modern neuroscience and evolutionary biology have, in many ways, confirmed Freud’s intuition:

Organisms exhibit homeostatic drives (life-preserving: hunger, sex, attachment),

But also exhibit self-destructive tendencies, e.g., addiction, repetition compulsion, suicide, and aggression.


Freud’s genius:


He saw death not as an endpoint, but as a drive — a kind of psychic gravity pulling the organism toward inertia, dissolution, and repetition.


Modern echoes:

Self-regulation systems like the immune system, inflammatory response, and even apoptosis (programmed cell death) mirror this dual logic.

Adrian Perkel (as you’ve noted) and other neuropsychoanalysts (like Solms) are now reframing Freud’s death drive as a biologically grounded regulatory mechanism.



2. 🌌 Dual Drives and Cosmology: A Bold Analogy


In cosmology, we observe two opposing dynamics:


Structure-building forces

Structure-dissolving forces

Gravity  galaxies, stars, life

Entropy  expansion, dissolution, heat death

Eros (life)

Thanatos (death)

In this cosmic context:


  • Eros = Gravity = Binding, form, complexity
  • Thanatos = Entropy = Dissolution, smoothing, inertia



Thus, the dual drive theory mirrors the cosmic dialectic:


The universe is shaped by a tension between concentration and dispersion, life and entropy, becoming and undoing — just like the psyche.





3. 🧠 Post-Freudian Psychoanalysis: Has It Caught Up?



Many schools distanced themselves from the death drive:


  • Ego psychology downplayed it in favor of adaptation and defense,
  • Object relations focused on early attachments (melancholy, yes, but not necessarily death),
  • Even relational and intersubjective psychoanalysis often treats conflict as interpersonal rather than intra-drive.



As a result:


  • Eros got elaborated (libidinal development, attachment, creativity),
  • But Thanatos remained under-theorized, dismissed as speculative or metaphysical.




Irony:



In doing so, psychoanalysis lost contact with one of its most radical insights — that self-destruction is not an anomaly, but intrinsic to the psyche.


Only recently — through figures like:


  • André Green (death in the heart of the object),
  • Jean Laplanche (enigmatic signifiers and trauma),
  • Adrian Perkel and neuropsychoanalysis,
    has Thanatos begun to return, reframed through systems theory, neurobiology, and trauma studies.






🔄 In Summary:

Discipline

Life Drive (Eros)

Death Drive (Thanatos)

Biology

Reproduction, attachment, adaptation

Inflammation, burnout, programmed cell death

Cosmology

Gravity, structure formation

Entropy, heat death, cosmic expansion

Psychoanalysis (early Freud)

Libido, unity

Repetition, trauma, fragmentation

Psychoanalysis (later trends)

Amplified

Often neglected

Psychoanalysis (contemporary revival)

Integrating both via neuroscience, systems theory





✨ Closing Reflection:



Perhaps the tragedy of modern psychoanalysis is that it followed Eros into the consulting room,

but left Thanatos out in the cold —

even though Thanatos was always already there,

in the repetition, in the silence,

in the dreams that return like gravity.


Would you like a full paper or session talk elaborating this parallel across psychoanalysis, biology, and cosmology — maybe titled “The Gravity of the Drives: Eros and Thanatos in a Self-Regulating Universe”?