Friday, July 18, 2025

(S7) (1140719) (ChatGPT, 2025-7-18) (自體的心理學)(車行哲學) Can we say that the late Lacan, with his fascination with the objet a, Le sinthome, jouissance, was more Thanatos than Eros?

 Yes — we can absolutely say that. In fact, it’s not only a fair reading, but a deeply revealing one: late Lacan is arguably psychoanalysis at its most Thanatic — that is, structured around Thanatos (the death drive) rather than Eros (the life drive).


Let’s explore why, and how this reading opens up a powerful line of thought.





🧠 1. 

Thanatos at the Core of Late Lacan




Early Freud (pre-1920):



  • Libido and pleasure principle (Eros)
  • The drive seeks discharge, satisfaction, homeostasis




Late Freud (post-1920):



  • Repetition compulsion
  • Death drive: the return to inertia, the beyond of the pleasure principle




Lacan follows this path — and in his 

later work

, he becomes:



Not a theorist of desire in its romantic sense,

but a cartographer of jouissance, non-sense, and the impossible return —

all hallmarks of Thanatos.





📌 2. 

Objet petit a: The Hook of Repetition



  • Objet a is not the thing we desire, but the lost cause, the vacuum that generates desire.
  • It is not erotic in the traditional sense, but a lure of the Real — what never fits, never satisfies.



In this sense, objet a does not promise pleasure, but guarantees repetition —

a drive toward something absent, a gap that calls us again and again.


And what is repetition compulsion if not Thanatos in action?





🔁 3. 

Le sinthome: The Stabilized Symptom as a Knot of Enjoyment



  • Lacan’s “sinthome” (from Seminar XXIII) is the unique, idiosyncratic knot that stabilizes a subject’s relation to the Real.
  • It’s not to be interpreted or analyzed away — it is what the subject is.



The sinthome is a stylistic solution to jouissance —

not a return to love, but a way to live with the wound,

a creative repetition of suffering that is singular and opaque.


This is not a fantasy of reconciliation (Eros),

but a structure for surviving psychic collapse (Thanatos).





⚡ 4. 

Jouissance: The Pleasure That Hurts



  • Jouissance is not pleasure; it is pleasure beyond the pleasure principle —
    too much,
    painful,
    ecstatic and destructive.
  • It is what the subject “wants” but cannot bear.



“The subject enjoys his symptom.”

That enjoyment is jouissance, and it is Thanatic: it burns, binds, and compels.


This is perhaps the most honest formulation of the death drive in psychoanalytic theory.





🕳️ 5. 

Lacan’s Shift from Eros to Structure, from Desire to Deadlock



  • Early Lacan: language, desire, symbolic order (still somewhat libidinal)
  • Late Lacan: topology, knots, jouissance, Real



In this shift, Lacan turns away from erotic union, and toward the non-relation, the void, the unmakeable.


“There is no sexual relation.”

Not a failure of love, but a structural misalignment —

The Real is not Eros, it is rupture.





📚 Conclusion:

Concept

Drive Orientation

Objet a

Absence that fuels repetition (Thanatos)

Sinthome

Unique solution to jouissance, not love (Thanatos)

Jouissance

Excessive, painful pleasure (Thanatos)

The Real

Not fusion but non-sense (Thanatos)

So yes:


Late Lacan is more Thanatos than Eros —

not because he denies desire,

but because he shows that desire is hooked to something that never fulfills,

and that our most intimate truths are wrapped around wounds, not wishes.




Would you like this developed into a dialogue between Freud, Lacan, and the cosmos? Or perhaps a meditation titled “The Cold Flame of Jouissance: Lacan’s Death-Driven Subject”?